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good morning. time is running out for lawmakers from stopping us to going over the fiscal cliff. the last chance for a deal might be today at 3:00. president obama has scheduled a meeting in the oval office with vice president biden by his side. he's hosting all the major players. the chances of success, depends on who you talk to. >> getting more optimistic. sometimes it's darkest before the dawn. >> this afternoons meetings feels much like optics. >> there are some signs of possible flexibility, but first of all it would be helpful if the house of representatives actually came back. right now we're at a stalemate, because the democrats haven't been willing to consider the issue of spending. >> i want to bring in perry bacon and it edward keith.
most of that was just from today. is this meeting to hash out details or perhaps to save face bhf we go over the cliff? >> i would argue today's meeting is they actually thing the outlines of a deal are possible. the president will push today for some agreement in which the middle-class tax cuts are extended for everyone, while the higher rates go up, we also put off the rest of the details for later. the president is pushing for something. that said the optics are important because everybody wants to look like they're working this issue. >> probably the worst-case scenario will be today. we will kick the can down the road, do a small deal and create another fiscal cliff to deal with this. again a total lack of courage, lack of leadership.
>> could they create another cliff? >> it's almost as if they're bouncing off one before bouncing on another further down the canyon. simply by the way the senate and the housework, how the wheels of legislating turn basically, it's nearly impossibility for things to get done before new year's eve unless both chambers lock themselves in those chambers until monday evening. to try to get some of this done. as was sort of already being talked about, as this deadline approached anyway. >> folks are saying, look, it's already so bad, it doesn't work the first time.
>> yeah, all the things set to expire would still conceivably expire unless something is in that modest agreement which would likely be mostly about taxes. the spending cuts and things like that would probably -- but most of those wouldn't be felt for a few more weeks or months anyway. >> it seems like any deal would be hammered out in the senate with harry reid and mish mcconnell. here's mcconned yesterday and what he said. >> last night i told the president we would be happy to look at bhafr he proposes, but we're coming up against a hard deadline, and as i said, this is a conversation we should have had months ago. republicans aren't about to write a blank check for nick that senate democrats put forward just because we find ourselves at the edge of the cliff. >> perry, what are you hearing on details? the hill suggesting that the
estate tax could be a key part of a potential deal? what could be part of this final smaller deal. >> my idea is probably some extension of unemployment insurance, the middle-class tax cuts, maybe the estate tax, maybe not. the important though, i think, is mcconnell and the senate is important, but ultimately john boehner has said he wants the majority of republican members of the house to vote for whatever deal happens. that's a key factor. they have to agree to something that president obama also agrees to. that's a big gap. basically he's -- i don't know that there's 120 house republican votes for that yet. plan b was voted on, a -- house republicans wouldn't approve of that, either. the how is like a big block here
on any kind of permanent deal. i want to bring in debbie wasserman schultz, florida democrat and head of the dnc. congresswoman, when you look at what's happening today, you know, this meeting that's going to be happening at 3:00 p.m., what's going to be talked about there, what do you think? >> look, as long as the leaders are talking, there is still time for us to hammer out a deand prevent us from going over the fiscal cliff. what will be talked about today is what do the outlines and parameters of a possible deal look like that can be agreed to by a majority of democrats and republicans. really i think the key thing here is, will john boehner, instead of after having wasted all of last week on plan b, which, you know, he took as a go it alone strategy, will he be willing to get the number of republicans he can get to vote for a deal, combined with the
number of democrats willing to vote for one and make a majority of the house of representatives in position to vote on the final deal. not a majority -- there are only reps in the house of representatives -- we have 435 house members, and the founding fathers when they wrote the constitution, intended for legislation to pass with the majority of the whole house. this deal needs to have democratic and republican sport. >> if you look forward to a possible final smaller deal as we were just talking about here, how much of this is john boehner's conservative members causing this difficulty for him? i have a big chunk, really a plurality is made of these extremists who are unwilling to consider they are essentially
control john boehner. to a void taxes increases on 98% of americans. there's a bill sitting in the house, as you know, that was passed by the senate, an overwhelming majority of the senate that we could take up right now. when we go into session on sunday night, the house could take it out and send it to the president and make sure at the very least we don't allow tax toss go up on the middle class. >> the house has passed two bills and the senate should take those up. >> the house has passed with a majority of republicans and no democratic support. just bills that would deal with the defense spending cuts and nothing else i mean s. we have got to make sure that we avoid taxes increases on the middle class at the very least and we can make sure that at this point
we're not within a time frame that we can pass a major deal. the house and senate republicans already basically wasted so much time that prevented us from doing that. now we need to come together, avoid taxes increases, make sure we can extend unemployment insurance so we have people who are still looking for work that aren't left out in the cold and make sure the few other loose ends we can tie up so we can deal with this? a more major way are ability to happen. we have to try to avoid the biggest dive that we could take off the fiscal cliff. >> republicans are blaming democrats. you've heard the line, washington doesn't have a revenue problem, we have a spending problem. i want to play this from senator john thune and get your reaction. >> even if the president got everything he wanted, it generates -- next year alone, so the question is, what do we do for the other 358 days of the year? we have to do something on the
spending side of the equation. >> if we look at just the spending -- what cuts would you support? >> the president has put forward and agreed to speaker boehner -- in meeting the republicans more than halfway, he's agreed to a dollar in revenue to a dollar in spending cuts. i mean, hundreds of billions in spending cuts, we voted for a trillion in spending cuts, richard, last summer with no revenue at all when we agreed to the debt ceiling deal that triggered this fiscal cliff fiasco. so we have put hundreds of billions, and we're willing to put more than a trillion in spending cuts. the republicans are still really leaving the middle class twisting in the wind, because they're unwilling to support, particularly the extremi tea partiers in the house republican congress increasing tax rates on the wealthier, people who make more than a million a year. it's unbelievable.
>> debbie wasserman schultz, thank you for your time. >> thank you. let's bring back ed as well as perry. let el me get your reaction. are write going over? will we get a deal after? >> if they keep talking like that, it looks increasingly likely that we will. a lot of it they probably want to american so that the final day of the year can go off without really know what will happen. so the fact that he's now, you know, open to talking to the white house, going to attend this meeting and seem amenable to some kind of deal that could conceivably start this weekend, say debate start tonight through
tomorrow, vote early sunday, the house comes back sunday night. then of course is the markets will continue reacting, and then i suspect the pressure will be on to get something done quickly. let me throw a log on top of this fire. there's the debt ceiling action too. take a listen to this, if you can, perry. >> it is somewhat like taking your child hostage and saying to somebody else i'm going to shoot my child if -- you don't want to shoot your child. there's no republican leaders that wants to default on our debt that i talked to. so i think that all to be a nonpartisan. >> maybe not the most eloquent strategy, but in these times we watch the rhetoric. >> is this setting up another
fight? >> i'm sure steny hoyer would want to phrase that differently in the future. there's not enough time yet, so i think we are coming back to the debt ceiling debate again, probably in a month or so. that would be unfortunate in a lot of ways. >> c'mon, perry, you don't think they can solve it? i'm joking. thank you both. general norman schwarzkopf died thursday in tampa from complications from pneumonia. in 1991, known as stormin' norman oversaw "operation desert storm" the first persian gulf war that forced iraq out kuwait. he was 78 years old. how-to knowledge to give us an
states are giving up on washington. they're taking up gun legislation on their own. seven states and growing are proposing gun legislation right now to allow teachers or other schoolworkers to carry firearms in schools. the last time a major piece of legislation on guns was passed was during the ronald reagan presidency, and the year before the brady bill. then they are states like indiana and utah that already have laws allowing teachers to have guns. this week they were holding training for teachers as they have for ten years, but this year it's ten times as popular, say some of the is instructors. joining also some clark oposian, whose group put on the education, and dennis vac rockle
p what are teachers telling you? >> they've had an emipiphany of sorts. the only training so far has lock the doors and hide behind the desk. we need to give them another option. we had about 200 teachers, other school employees as well. >> you've down this a long time. what percentage after the training end up getting guns. >> some of them already have firearms. i don't know, but the majority of those that i still communicate with, they have their firearms and carrying in schools. >> listen to one teacher that went through the training. >> now, especially, i'm thinking this would be a great opportunity to probably the children, protect the classroom
and the teachers if that opportunity arose. that's the reason i'm here. >> what's the reaction to that. they fair carrying concealed weapons inside schools. >> well, as a high school math teacher for 23 years, i can tell you that guns do not belong in schools, period. i believe this is a complex problem action and to suggest there is one solution, to put more guns in schools i think is the wrong approach. i think there are three things we have to consider. we have to put the safety procedures in place at every school in america. number two, we have to look at the mental health services and counseling available to students and adults. numb per three, we need common-sense law that is get the guns out of the hands of people who should not have them. anyone who proposes a single simple solution, it won't work. >> clark, to you, a chief lawyer for the utah office of education calls arming teachers, quote, a terrible idea, and arguing here that teachers could be
overpowered for their guns, they could misfire, cause an accidental shooting. as you know, critics have been saying that armed security guards at columbine weren't able to prevent the massacre at that school. do you see their point here? >> first of all i'm not armed security guards. i'm talking about teachers who choose to have a firearm, and quite honestly carol lair and your guest their views were certainly not shared by the 200 teachers in my class yesterday. >> not at all? >> and very likely not the majority of the views across this nation of teachers who have basically been left out to fend for themselves. what has the nea done to protect students, staff and faculty? nothing. until they actually do something positive to protect our students, staff and faculty, stay out of our way why we try to address the question. >> why do you answer the criticism?
>> well, we've had it for 12 years. we've had it for 12 years, we haven't had any school shootings, and we haven't had any of the dire predictions that come out that teachers will be losing their guns, being overpowered by students. we hear this every time from the gun control groups that somebody terrible is going to happen if we relax the laws on -- >> the criticism also is will it even helped based on the columbine example? >> well, you know what, we'll never know how many people might have been saved in columbine or in connecticut had there been the ability to have a lawfully possessed firearm by a teacher, but you know what? we do know the exact number that were killed, 26, in connecticut, when there wasn't the ability to carry a firearm. these are trained professionals, teachers who just want to protect themselves. >> dennis, i want you to an to
what clark said there. he did bring up the nea. >> i think the national education association has done much to increase the safety of bo students and adults who work in school. i just don't believe that bringing more guns into the school enhances the safety of students. policemen are given incredible training in order to not only how to use a firearm, but when and how to shoot it. we've had incidents with police that even innocent bystanders have been killed. the idea that a teacher who receives a course in gun safety is prepared to deal with a situation in school doesn't make sense. we need to make sure that there are common-sense law that is keep the guns out of the hands of people who shouldn't have them. i think part of the discussion has to be the background check for anyone who buys a gun, the idea we eliminate 30-plus round magazines they used to just blast away. this is not about guns and hunting. it's when safety of students and that's where we start.
i believe the greatest way to keep students safe is to keep guns out of the schools. >> there's been reaction since newtown. the gallup poll shows house americans views this, 64% of americans believe that armed school officials would be effective, and we take a look at arizona specifically, the state attorney general has proposed amending state law to allow one educator in each school to carry a gun. you know the arizona attorney general here, when you consider that, dennis, what's your take on that is it. >> i don't believe the solution is to arm a teacher. they said how many, do you need? inside? out -- >> are you saying one educator in one school. >> and my point is that one educator with a gun, i do not
believe that enhances the safety of the school. what it does is puts a gun in the school, and as was mentioned, that person can be overpowered. whether or not there's got to be a greater way to do this? it's just not right, and where he need to tackle it. >> some republicans have been vet ode -- the sorts of as you're suggesting and having armed teachers is good? >> you know what? no, it doesn't make a difference. if you want constructive progress on this issue, you know, you need to start thinking about the safety of school
employees. hey, connecticut had a locked door, they had signs on the doors, they have strict gun laws in connecticut. the perfect ideal situation that the nea representative is explaining, well, you know what? they think distort through and teachers and students were killed. so, you know, his approach has obviously shown it doesn't work. in utah we've shown it does work. we've had 12 years of history of no school shootings and nobody being overpowered, guns not being left behind, no shootouts, no crossfire, that type of thing. let's get off the magazines, let's get off the assault weapons. let's start talking about actual things that will work. we had trained professionals teaching these teachers yesterday. you know what? let's leave it to the professional. >> you're not open to the multifacet approach that dennis is at a timing there. i wish we had more time. thank you both for being with us. clark aposhian, and dennis van
rockle. next we talk to tom horn on the amendment he's proposing. stick around for that at 11:30 eastern. the connecticut medical examiner is asking researchers to analyze the dna of adam lanza. he killed 27 people including his mother and two classrooms full of small children and teachers before killing himself earlier this month. investigators hope by studying dna for mightations, it may shed light on the tragedy. (all) the gulf! it doesn't matter which of our great states folks visit. mississippi, alabama, louisiana or florida, they're gonna love it. shaul, your alabama hospitality is incredible. thanks, karen. love your mississippi outdoors. i vote for your florida beaches, dawn. bill, this louisiana seafood is delicious. we're having such a great year on the gulf, we've decided to put aside our rivalry. now is the perfect time to visit anyone of our states.
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investigators say the gunman was not associated with the police department. police are searching for a motive there. police -- the video shows the woman running from the scene in queens last night, witnesses say the suspect had been following the man closely and mumbling to herself. this was the second time this month a man was killed after being pushed in front of a train in new york. secretary of state hillary clinton heads back to work next week. she was sidelined for almost three weeks due to a concussion. doctors have grounded her from overseas travel for several more weeks. it's not over yet. another plast of snow is expected this weekend for parts of the country in addition to this. stretches of new england still digging out.
this is the scene in maine where the governor made the call wednesday to close all state officers because of that snow. the strong wind and rain create a coastal flooding mess there. let's get the details from the weather channel's nick walker. whoa's going to get hid again? >> it looks like a break in some of those areas, but there is plenty back toward your west. that will be moving into the northeast as we head into your weekend, producing snow on top of that. it's pretty light here around chicago, milwaukee, toward the minneapolis area where we've seen a few airport delays simply due to icing and snow removal there. nothing 345i7b8g, but a lot of moisture is off to the south, produces thunderstorms. that moves into the mid-atlantic into the northeast, along with
that cooler air, so now through sunday, sxekd to see the snow on the increase throughout the appalachians, probably 1 to 3 inches in portions of pennsylvania and new york state. it looks like new york city could get an inch, maybe more if we get more of that moisture moving from the south into this area, so mostly it will be lighter amounts that what we say in the adirondacks and the white mountains, but definitely white for new york this time. increasing clouds, winds should remain fairly light. and then into tomorrow, we'll expect to see that no begin to accumulate. we're probably going to see 1 to 3 inch total snowfall. into tomorrow night, we expect to see the snow shower taper off.
the lower temperatures getting cold near 28 degrees. it looks lie a chilly new year's each. 33 degrees there by the time we get into the new year. >> it wouldn't be any fun if it wasn't a little cold in times square for new year's eve. >> huddle up, get close to one another. you can't do anything else. >> they'll be huddling all right. thank you very much. the top political stories from the big written to then forget at moments we're also headed for the dairy cliff. seema mody has more. let's start with the farm bill. >> absolutely, richard, the agricultural farm bill is set to expire at the end of this bill. right now the average price is
3.65 a gallon here in the united states. if this bill isn't passed, prices could increase more than 100 going up, from the average percent it is right now. there's worry this agricultural bill may not be passed and push ever over the so-call -- so any price hike could definitely impact a family's budget, and you willy how much they spend on groceries. >> just a short time ago, the white house called on dockworkers to continue to -- what's the impact? >> balely time is running out that could prevent containers carrying goods too and from the us.
talks are taking place in an effort to keep more than 14,000 longshoreman at 14 different ports from walking off the job. the national association of manufacturers puts the cost of a potential strike at $1 billion a day. retailers could potentially deal with higher potential costs which could be passed on to you and i. >> cnbc's seema mody, thank you. the most annoys words of 2012. the marist poll released its poll. twitterverse. number 4 is just sayin'. number three -- ya know. number two -- like. and for the fourth conservative year, americans consider "whatever" especially spoken with at attitude. those are the most annoying
to politics. it's the first full day for brian schatz he was sworn in in hawaii. he's replacing daniel inouye who passed away. president obama will have to look for a new epa chief now that lisa jackson resigned. she'll officially step down after the state of the union. the chief of staff is saying, quote, put the hearts back in the closet. he remains in guarded condition at a houston hospital. massachusetts congressman ed markey is the first to officially throw his hat in the ring for a special election.
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there's some signs for optimism here. >> the first time leader mcconnell is speaking to the president, if the senate is going to be the place for action starts. means to me we could come up with some kind of agreement. let's bring in democratic strategist blake zeff, and robert shranham. first who will be there. president obama, the vice president biden that will be there. speaker boehner they'll be in this meeting. to you here, chip -- not chip, sorry. to you here, blake, where do they begin?
>> i think there's on this one way to get the deal done, and that's through the senate. probably highly unlikely, and then you would have to impress upon jane boehner, so i think we're looking at a very small likelihood we have any sort of significant deal other than a plan that lowers taxes. >> so you're somewhat pessimistic. what about you, robert? >> cautiously optimistic. he's exactly right. the only other thing i think could happen is in fancy pelosi, who quite franly has a stronger hand, is able to get enough democrats on her side to actually push this over the top with moderate republicans. let's be honest about this. speaker boehner tried and he nailed. so is there a minority/majority
coalition to come together to get something through the house. >> does it come from mcconnell? >> that's the other question is whether or not senator mcconnell plays along. i have a sneak with suspicion he will cautiously play along. he doesn't want to be blamed for this. he as of more moderate. what will they say at this meeting, what sort of stone? conciliatory? or the right saying that he has been trying to roll the republicans, basically saying here is the deal and you better take it? >> i think a lot of democrats or progressives hope he won't be as conciliatory as he's been. that is might do more than that. >> like what? >> i hope there are no further
cuts to i doubt that that's the case. he's a very good hand to play. as we know, if the fiscal cliff comes to pass, we'll be seeing a lot of bush era tack rates that will go up anyway. >> we know the president oftentimes trying to go to the middle. we know he's more of a moderate. he trying to bring two sides together. what we also know is republicans are relevant from a constitutional standpoint, because they control the house, so both sides will have to give something here, and the hard right or the hard left, because they caved on somebody, but that's what xlom is all about. >> but the democrats have a stronger hand. >> i don't disagree. >> so it's not a totally even give-and-take. >> he does -- >> well, it's at the white house, it is the president's meeting, thus in the process he should be doing the talking, but he should be facilitating saying, speaker boehner, where do we go from here? we tried your way and it did not
work, look, nancy pelosi, how do we get something through the house? >> talk about the reid/mcconnell special relationship. they were the two that cobbled together deals. 2011 is a great example. will they have a three-peat here? >> again i'm not bullish on this. i think robert might be a little more than i am. i think it would require a lot of courage on mcconned to put something through that democrats like and to impress upon john boehner to get this to the floor of the house i think could put -- on the bright side it could put him in a heroic position. >> very quickly. >> mcconnell is in a tricky position. >> he is looking a the 2014. thank you both so much. >> thank you. today's tweet of the day is about the milk cliff. glen johnson tweets amid talk of milk going up to $7 a dplon, with no deal, we'll all just start drinking gas then. [ male announcer ] with over 50 delicious choices
to largely uphold the president's health care law. this was a very big moment in the election. obviously democrats would have rallied behind the president either way, but to have this upheld for the president was key. you also list -- that moment that we can't forget, though, has clint eastwood at the rnc, there he is, talking to the chair. >> we're going to look back on the conventions, and all we're going to remember is clint oozewood in the chair. this was during a very strong period for the president. the speech he gave himself at the president was not the longest ever, but a very good week, president clinton gave a great speech that rallied the crowd, as did first lady michelle obama for romney, that was a tough week, with clint
eastwood and the chair, and that dominated the headlines. so it looked like the president had -- that was because, of course, before he ran into some turbulence. >> talk about that debate. those on the left were very surprised, those on the right also. >> absolutely. this was a key moment in the campaign where it lookedly maybe romney would be able to come back. obama's campaign team always thought this moment was exaggerated. the president's team always thought that was overblown, but certainly this was a big moment in the campaign. the president felt very down afterwards as glen and jonathan martin report in their new e-book what a tough period that was for the president. he had to find win himself and come back. >> so raching, finish it off,
bring it to today. there's the fiscal cliff. got to be the most recent of the big points in politics for 2012. >> absolutely. that shows just how fleeting a victory is in this town. president obama won a stronger than predicted victory. he basically got every state that was seen as being open up for play, up for grabs. he won them all. he won ohio. he won virginia, he won fa fla. he campaigned largely on this issue of middle-class tax cuts, fairness for the middle class, give the middle class a chance. he saw his win as a validation of the strategy, this philosophy that he ran on, but now we've country to a political reality in washington, total gridlock. the republicans do not agree his victory means the american people endorsed his vision for the wealthy paying more.
so far that's not been enough to carry him to the victory. >> when it comes to politics, 2012, a big one for you and me and everyone else. appreciate it, rachel smolkin. >> thank you very much. thomas roberts is up next. good friday. good friday. hi, everybody. the next hour, a last-ditch effort to avoid the fiscal cliff. the president has called all four congressional leaders to the white house no a high stakes meeting. is there really any hope? i'll speak with congressman sanderson. and then should teachers be armed in the classroom? it's a big debate. whop wants at least one teacher armed at every school in his state. then remembers stormin' norman, the history general who
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